Bonus Ep 52 - Let's play 'Guess Who' with British Icons...and a balding Harry

Join Charlie and Harry in this lively episode as they tackle the humorous side of hair loss, dive into a guessing game of British celebrities, and take a nostalgic look at the iconic TV show 'Stars in Their Eyes'.
Jan 11 / Charlie Baxter

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Charlie:
Hello and welcome to the British English Podcast. In today's episode, I am joined with Harry, the one and only nutter that I rudely accidentally labelled in the previous episode I did with Harry. Is that right? Is that how I called you?

Harry:
I think you, you were introducing me in some way. But you you started with an adjective beginning with an N or calling me something.

Charlie:
Yes, I said the one and only, Harry.

Harry:
Like a slip of the tongue.

Charlie:
Yeah, but said the one and only Harry Giles. And you thought I was about to say the nutter. Yes.

Harry:
Yeah, yeah.

Charlie:
That's it.

Harry:
You were probably just going to call me Nathan or something by accident. The one and only Nathan Giles.

Charlie:
Yeah. The Nathans that I use on the podcast, that I speak with on the podcast.

Harry:
Have you had?

Charlie:
No, I don't think I've had a Nathan.

Harry:
Have you had a Nathan?

Charlie:
Don't think so.

Harry:
It's a shame.

Charlie:
Just before we clicked record, we were talking about your your hair right now. So today your hair is... Would you say you're having a good hair day?

Harry:
No. But the good hair days are getting less and less frequent in my life.

Charlie:
Why is that?

Harry:
The older I get. Because Charlie, I am balding. My hair is thinning to a worrying degree now. Yeah, it seems to be getting thinner and thinner. And yeah, I'm at a loss as to what to do with my hair.

Charlie:
You went to my wedding recently and you met Charlie's partner, so I'm called Charlie. But Stacey's bridesmaid is also called Charlie, short for Charlotte. Her partner Matthew. He used to be bald and he now has a head of hair.

Harry:
Oh, sorry. Who is Charlie again?

Charlie:
Charlie's the blonde bride... Well, there were 2 or 3 blonde bridesmaids, but one of them.

Harry:
Oh!

Charlie:
Her partner Matthew. Big guy. Yeah. There were two main... Big, manly, manly men. One of them was bald and the other one was not.

Harry:
Right. The non bald one.

Charlie:
So the non bald one was bald before.

Harry:
Right. Yeah. Didn't really think much of his hair.

Charlie:
No. Well.

Harry:
So I didn't go away from that wedding thinking what a lovely head of hair that that bloke. Well I didn't even know what his name was.

Charlie:
Matthew. He is going for a second round, unfortunately for him, because it's a very painful process. But he was saying that he was hoping that it would have blossomed into a thick head of hair, but it hasn't yet. And so he needs to go for another round of it. But it's just interesting that this is even an option in this day and age to get a hair transplant.

Harry:
Yeah, it's mad, isn't it? Like if you have enough money, it's a very feasible option. It's like, yeah, I'm just going to go and do that.

Charlie:
Yeah. Very painful though.

Harry:
Some people are like that. Yeah. It's a good option to fall back on. I've never thought about it being painful. I've never considered that side of it because I haven't met anyone who's had that treatment. But I guess it would be, right? It's it's a kind of replacement surgery. Right? They're kind of implanting.

Charlie:
They're implanting the follicle, I think, in under the skin. And that means basically that follicle will make your skull bleed from that one point times 1000, because you've got to have that everywhere. So there's like a thousand points of bleeding.

Harry:
Yeah, I think I will go for it actually.

Charlie:
Yeah. I'm an ambassador for it.

Harry:
Put it like that. A thousand points of bleeding. Come to Turkey, get your hair done.

Charlie:
What makes you say that? Somebody else said that the other day. You go to Turkey for it.

Harry:
They're quite, I don't know, they're quite famous for. Or are they famous for doing dental?

Charlie:
Yeah, maybe. I don't know. I've never. I've not heard of this, but maybe I've been out of the country.

Harry:
I've just heard you can get quite cheap cosmetic surgery in Turkey is what I've heard.

Charlie:
Right. Okay. Well, maybe. I'm actually blessed with a good head of hair and I don't see it going anywhere anytime soon. You're... Looking at your face I...

Harry:
You wait. That's what I said five years ago.

Charlie:
Really? But, I mean...

Harry:
Are you saying I've been balding for longer?

Charlie:
Yes. I mean, it's it if you look at your father.

Harry:
Yeah, it's not surprising.

Charlie:
It's not surprising?

Harry:
No.

Charlie:
And your brother...

Harry:
It shouldn't come as a great shock.

Charlie:
Your brother's hair. What's his hairline like?

Harry:
Very thick. His hair's very, very thick. Yeah.

Charlie:
Pardon me.

Harry:
Yeah.

Charlie:
He's got.

Harry:
You're pardoned.

Charlie:
Is it all the way down?

Harry:
Yeah. He's got a good hairline. And he's got a thick head of hair.

Charlie:
Oh right.

Harry:
Yeah. Very dense.

Charlie:
I stand corrected. Apologies if any of your family are listening to this.

Harry:
They're not. No. Haha. No. When we went our separate ways from REWRT (Real English With Real Teachers), that was well and truly it for my parents consuming anything with your voice on.

Charlie:
Really, they don't feel the urge to get some more Harry through BEP?

Harry:
No, there's no speak of it. There'll be no talk of BEP (The British English Podcast) at the dinner table. No. I'm joking. How's the podcast? Mum. Shut it. No surprise. Yeah. So, yes, it came as no surprise that. Well, it should come as no surprise that I'm starting to thin on top. I say starting. It probably started a while ago, to be honest. And one of my mates, JJ from uni, he was the first to point out that I had a bald patch appearing on the crown of my head.

Charlie:
Oh, and that was recent when you saw him last?

Harry:
No, that was ten years ago.

Charlie:
Okay, right.

Harry:
More than ten years ago.

Charlie:
Oh, I see, I see. Right. And so do you think you could rock a skinhead?

Harry:
That's a good question. And I don't know. I remember when I was a kid, I had a, I shaved my head at one point and I thought I looked, I thought I looked pretty cool. You really don't know until you do it, do you? You don't know what shape your head has taken.

Charlie:
I think some people know that it's absolutely not going to work like me, like my alien little head. Don't think that would ever pass as anything other than very ill.

Harry:
Oh, he is ill. Is that what happens to ill people? Their head goes a weird shape.

Charlie:
No, just no, no. It's just if your head is that shape, there's no logical reason as to have shaved your head other than.

Harry:
Oh, I see.

Charlie:
Because you're ill and you've lost your hair. Yeah. Exposing that kind of head shape.

Harry:
The hair loss is not an illness.

Charlie:
No, hair loss is not an illness. It's a part of growing older and being wiser to tell many interesting tales.

Harry:
It's a part of death. One step. But it's a good reminder of death.

Charlie:
Is it? Yes. Each.

Harry:
Yeah. I think it is.

Charlie:
In a depressing way or an enlightening way?

Harry:
Well, it can go either way, can't it? But yeah, everything that we lose can be a either a refreshing or an enlightening or depressing reminder that we're going to end up in the ground.

Charlie:
Imagining you clipping your fingernails, either crying or laughing with joy.

Harry:
That's why I got them so long. That's a loss. That's a monthly loss I'm trying to cut down on. Oh, pardon the pun.

Charlie:
Don't pardon the pun. I think. Okay, so today's episode, we're done with the small talk now I think, aren't we? We've peaked with the cutting of fingernails. That equals end of chit chat onto theme.

Harry:
Yeah.

Charlie:
Today's theme. Harry, would you like to do the honours and tell the listeners?

Harry:
Yeah. So I might be wrong, Charlie, but aren't we playing a game of Guess Who today?

Charlie:
We are. Yes.

Harry:
Celebrity Guess Who. It always is Celebrity Guess Who though, isn't it? It's not like random blokes in the pub guess who?

Charlie:
Yeah, Dave on the corner of my street. Guess who? That wouldn't quite work, would it? Guess who Celebrities. I hope that you are keeping in mind that it is British celebrities to add to the British culture of the of the theme of the episode and the show. But yeah, we're going to take it in turns to guess each other's thoughts, effectively creating some some good questions for you guys to appreciate the structure of the questions, and also the adjectives that we give each other in response to who we're thinking about. Harry, would you like to go first as the guesser, or would you prefer me to go first as the guesser?

Harry:
I'd like to be the guesser if that's okay.

Charlie:
Okay. Yes it is okay. We're all okay. Okay, so the first person that I'm thinking of. I don't want to give you too much of a clue straight away, but they are very well known for having been part of our teenage years. We were born in the 1990s. Throughout the noughties.

Harry:
Okay. Am I to ask you questions?

Charlie:
Yeah. Go for a question.

Harry:
Is it... Were they a child? Were they in their childhood years when we were...

Charlie:
Yes they were.

Harry:
When we were in the nineties.

Charlie:
Yes. They were also in their childhood years. In fact, they were of a similar age to us whilst they were on our...

Harry:
At the height of their fame.

Charlie:
At the height of their fame. Well, were they at the height of their fame? I think this person has continued to do a variety of things, but still stay in the forefront of our minds.

Harry:
Wow. Yeah, I'm struggling because normally what came to my head straight away was Macaulay Culkin. But he's obviously American, but he's someone that I remember being very successful when we were kids. But I mean, he's definitely older than us. He's probably like eight years older than us. Yeah. Interesting. I'm intrigued. I'm intrigued. How would you... Can I ask open questions or do they have to be yes/no questions?

Charlie:
They could be open questions. Yeah.

Harry:
Okay. How would you describe this person's personality?

Charlie:
I would describe them to be very kind, charming, probably in a feminine way, because charming is often collocated, I'd say more with males, which is interesting to think about, isn't it?

Harry:
It's true. Yeah, it's very true.

Charlie:
Obviously a shame.

Harry:
Yeah. It's about like it's often associated with like, chivalry, being a gentleman.

Charlie:
Yes.

Harry:
But okay. So in a feminine way, does this mean that he and he's gay or he's camp or is it a female?

Charlie:
It's a female. Oh, a good word would be incredibly altruistic towards the latter part of her career. Again, very active now. But she wasn't known for her altruism at the beginning of her rise to fame.

Harry:
That's interesting. Is she an actress?

Charlie:
She is an actress.

Harry:
Okay. And she does a lot of... What's her like? What are her favourite causes in terms of the activism and charity work she does? Is she a feminist?

Charlie:
She is a feminist. Yes. I believe she's a United Nations Women Goodwill ambassador. Or was, I'm not sure if she still is.

Harry:
At last.

Charlie:
What else? I'll throw another thing in there. She's a graduate from Brown University.

Harry:
Brown University? What is that?

Charlie:
Brown University.

Harry:
I've never heard of that.

Charlie:
In America. In Rhode Island.

Harry:
Oh, right. Duh. Brown University in Rhode Island. Okay, interesting.

Charlie:
I think it is probably one of the top universities over there.

Harry:
Okay, think I was. Well, firstly, I don't even know. I'm not going to pretend I know what that university is, but. Okay, so she was educated in America. That's interesting. But rose to fame here in the UK. I think I've got a face in my. I've got a name in mind. Shall I go for it?

Charlie:
No not yet. Let's just add. So I think this was after her usual education. This was probably a masters or something.

Harry:
Okay, okay. So a bit of further study, higher education.

Charlie:
Does that change your mind or you feel like you know?

Harry:
I feel like I know. I might be well off, but do you find her attractive?

Charlie:
I do find her very attractive. Yes. She's a beautiful person.

Harry:
Oh. Beautiful person. Yeah. Nice. Okay.

Charlie:
I would also add that she's sophisticated. Got a sophisticated look.

Harry:
Okay. Yeah.

Charlie:
Does that help you?

Harry:
That fits the profile that I have in mind.

Charlie:
Another one you could say, fits the bill. Isn't that a phrase? Fit the bill.

Harry:
Fits the bill. A bit different, but it's definitely a phrase.

Charlie:
Is it different to fits the profile?

Harry:
Fits the bill.

Charlie:
To be suitable for a particular purpose. Fit the bill.

Harry:
Yeah, okay. I mean, like, she fits the profile that I have in mind, like the person who I'm thinking of. But, yeah, fits the bill would definitely work. Like if we said if we were making a film and we had a role that we were looking for a... We are casting for, looking for an actress. We could say, yeah, she definitely fits the bill. Like she is perfect for this role.

Charlie:
Yes. Exactly. Nice. Okay, so you think you've got her in mind?

Harry:
Yeah, I think I do. I can ask you more questions if you like. Was she in a massive series of blockbuster films?

Charlie:
She was. Yes, she was in a... One, probably one of the biggest franchises of films that we've, we've had in our lives. Yeah.

Harry:
Okay, I've got her. Although I can't think of her name. All I can think of is her on-screen name.

Charlie:
Okay, you tell me her on-screen name, who you think it was, and then I will reveal whether that's true or not later in the episode. But we can talk about your your thoughts.

Harry:
Oh, golly. So we have to continue without even knowing if we've got it right.

Charlie:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, at the end of the episode, you will find out.

Harry:
Wow.

Charlie:
You know, it's an exam. The answers are at the end of the.

Harry:
Exactly. It's like a really fun exam.

Charlie:
Well, no, it's not an exam. It's like a worksheet because an exam you can't really cheat like that, can you?

Harry:
This is a worksheet, guys. Enjoy your worksheet. Welcome to the worksheet. So I'm going to say Hermione Granger. I'm not going to look at you because your face is going to tell me I'm right or wrong.

Charlie:
I've got poker face. So. Hermione Granger okay. You think it's Hermione Granger and that is... You still don't remember?

Harry:
Still don't remember.

Charlie:
No? So that person is called Emma Watson.

Harry:
Oh, yeah. Of course. Emma Watson.

Charlie:
Yes.

Harry:
These names just get lost. I can see different actresses and actors and, like, I don't know their names. I'm really bad with that.

Charlie:
Well, you're not a big Harry Potter fan, so I'll let you off on that.

Harry:
Yeah. Thank you.

Charlie:
Have you watched any of the films?

Harry:
I've seen most of them.

Charlie:
Oh, you've seen most of them. You just still don't like them?

Harry:
No.

Charlie:
Did you watch them when you were younger?

Harry:
No. I watched them a bit late, to be fair, I think. No, I, I had one disappointing British holiday. British summer holiday to Whitby or something. We stayed in this cottage. It was called Rock cottage. Every other year we were lucky enough to go to somewhere really nice. We'd go to Greece or something, and then the other year we would stay in England and we'd go often to this place, Rock cottage, and it was nice. It was in a really nice little town. But, you know, when you're young you want to just go abroad and get lots of sun.

Charlie:
Yes.

Harry:
And then on one occasion it was particularly rainy. It was a really wet week. It was horrid. And we turned this small dining room table into a table tennis table, which was really fun. That's when I got into ping pong.

Charlie:
Which you are excellent at now.

Harry:
Thank you Charlie. Not sure if I am now to be honest, but appreciate it anyway. I'll take that. But when we weren't playing ping pong, I was watching Harry Potter and I. I watched, I think the first three just, like, bashed them out and loved them. And then I didn't revisit them for another five years, probably. And I watched the first one. I really liked the first one, actually. I like the first one, quite enjoyed the second. Then I was like, yeah, okay, I'm done.

Charlie:
Yeah, they do change. They evolved throughout the the whole series of films. Definitely. They got a lot darker throughout three and four and then really quite dark. Yeah. I think it might be an age thing because I, I'm 33 years old and I still like to play video games. Sue me. And I was very excited for the Harry Potter video game that came out earlier this year. I bought it recently and I couldn't stand it or I couldn't. I mean, I haven't given it a fair chance, but I tried it for a whole two days and yeah, didn't enjoy it at all. Felt like I was being treated like a child on the game. And then I realised, hmm yes, that's because I am being treated like a child. It was designed for younger people than me. Maybe, maybe. But the books do cater for all ages, I'd say. I think all adults can enjoy the books. But you, you didn't give them a go?

Harry:
No, I think I tried reading the first one. I read a couple of pages. My friend William lent them to me and I was just like, no, I wasn't into reading. Couldn't get into it. Just, I don't know. Yeah, it just wasn't I wasn't interested at all.

Charlie:
But you read a lot in Spanish, don't you?

Harry:
Not really.

Charlie:
You used to. When we would go on trips, you'd get your Kindle out and you'd read Spanish books all the time.

Harry:
I was in a good habit of reading but nah, I've been pretty... Been slacking in recent years, to be honest with you.

Charlie:
My follow up question would have been... Do you think you've read more Spanish books than English? But..

Harry:
Well, maybe it would be close. I haven't read that many novels. What I need to read more. Because sometimes when I get into a book, I'm like, this is the best thing. Like, you get lost in it. It's satisfying, you know? Yeah, I need to do this more. But there's so many things we could do with our time. And I choose to spend mine watching porn. I'm joking.

Charlie:
God!

Harry:
I'm joking. I don't do that. I watch, I tell you what I watch, Charlie, I watch monks on YouTube talking about Buddhism. That's what I watch.

Charlie:
Yeah you do. I can imagine that. I mean, I'm not imagining the other thing, but yeah.

Harry:
I don't watch porn. Honestly, I barely watch it.

Charlie:
Well, I think that means we are ready for the next celebrity, but this time I will be doing the guessing. Would you like to set me up with your first celeb?

Harry:
Absolutely.

Charlie:
We have come to the end of part one, so feel free to take a break from your listening practice, but if you're happy to keep going, then we're now moving on to part two of this episode. Thanks so much for being a premium or Academy member and enjoy the rest of the show.

Harry:
Okay, so my first celeb is a fabulous person who I would describe, I slash ChatGPT would describe as an enigmatic person. Yeah, not someone you can, um, you quite understand when you first see him or her.

Charlie:
Oh. Okay.

Harry:
Yeah. You're not quite sure what you're getting, but you get to know this person quite... You do get to know them and you learn that they are very authentic. I would describe them as very down to earth.

Charlie:
Okay.

Harry:
Despite their, their success. And they are a mega star. Despite their stardom, they have remained very much... Yeah, kind of grounded. And I think that's something that makes them so, so likeable.

Charlie:
Okay. And they reached fame through the arts or something else?

Harry:
Correct. It is through the arts.

Charlie:
Through the arts.

Harry:
Indeed.

Charlie:
In the form of music, traditional art, TV or film or none of the above?

Harry:
In the. Well, they definitely will have appeared in the odd film, no doubt, but that is not their their main form of art. Yes, they are musicians.

Charlie:
Okay.

Harry:
They are a musician. I'm using the impersonal they. I am talking about one individual.

Charlie:
Yes. They are a musician. Okay. Yes, but also potentially featured in a film. And they are enigmatic you say?

Harry:
They are an enigma. Enigmatic.

Charlie:
They are an enigma. They are an enigma. They are an enigma. It's quite hard to say that quite quickly with an. An enigma. An enigma.

Harry:
It's like, you know, you feel like with this person, you know them when you see them, but then you think, actually, there's probably a lot more to them than than meets the eye.

Charlie:
Right. Okay. Are they traditionally are they attractive in the traditional sense?

Harry:
No they're not. It's just a really average looking person. You could... Sort of person you might bump into in the pub and there's, you know, nothing remarkable about them in a, in terms of their looks.

Charlie:
Okay. Okay. Yes. I think I'm starting to gather some names going on that. Would you say they lean on an instrument more or their vocal talent more?

Harry:
That's a good question. I would say... They're are kind of all rounder really. They are a good instrumentalist, but at the same time, cracking voice and boy do they know how to write songs. So this is a... An amazing, a prolific songwriter. They have released a lot of music in a career that has spanned probably ten years?

Charlie:
Ten years. Okay, maybe more or maybe less? Would it be what would you guess? Like more or less than ten years?

Harry:
I'd say around. I'd say maybe slightly longer. Yeah. I think I first heard about this guy when we were at uni, so that would have been like probably 2010, because. And the reason I heard about this guy, well, I heard about him because you have to hear about these people because they're everywhere. They're in the news, they're on the TV, they're on the radio, Spotify. But I was speaking to my my girlfriend at the time, Emma Rose Tully. Love you. She was like, oh, you know this guy? He was from from my area. I once saw him at.. I once met him at a house party.

Charlie:
Oh, okay.

Harry:
Yeah. I was like, oh, God, that's crazy.

Charlie:
Yeah, right. Yeah. Once I know who it is, that would be even more crazy. But you've already said that. Yeah. Huge person. So yeah, that is crazy. Yeah, I think I know who it is. And this person is a guitarist?

Harry:
Oh, might well be, might well be.

Charlie:
And this person was one of the earlier adopters or certainly one of the people that brought this tool to the mainstream attention, let's say, which is the loop pedal.

Harry:
Could well be, could well have popularised the the loop pedal. Yeah, okay. Could well have done.

Charlie:
And what films do you think this person has been in? Do you know?

Harry:
Well, I only know of one of them. So I was watching a film. Don't I see you're googling something, Charlie? Okay. Stop what you're doing there. Unbelievable.

Charlie:
Actually, I was only going to Google the word cameo just to confirm that it's the right word. I think it is. To cameo in a film.

Harry:
Cameo. Yeah, yeah, that's a word. Yeah, he was more than a cameo. I would say. He had lines. There were like several scenes with him. Okay. Yeah, he played a you know a decent part in it. It was a film called Yesterday about the Beatles. It was a really funny film. I loved it. It was a Netflix film, and the premise was there was like this massive kind of worldwide kind of power cut, just society. Everything just stopped for like 10 seconds. And for some reason, after this power cut was was up and the lights came back on, the whole world had forgotten about the existence of the Beatles, except for one guy who was a massive Beatles fan. He was on a, his own journey in music and trying to get a name for himself, but he was getting nowhere, so he started. He didn't realise that people had forgotten about the Beatles, and one day he was given a guitar and he starts playing it and he sings Yesterday or yeah, one of the Beatles classics, and his friends just start crying. They're like, oh my God, this, that is the most beautiful song. And they're like, he's like, It's the Beatles, Yesterday. How do you not know this? And they're like, that is the best song you've ever written. And then he's like, what? And he starts playing other songs and realises the world has just forgotten who the Beatles are. And then he starts, yeah, releasing their songs.

Charlie:
Let's leave it there, just in case somebody hasn't seen the plot or hasn't seen the film, because it is a really nice film. I definitely encourage people to watch that. Lovely. But yeah, it's an interesting plot for sure. And so that person or the person that we're talking about in question is they show up on that film or they are a... They play a part on that film sorry. Do they?

Harry:
Yeah, they play themselves. They play themselves.

Charlie:
So yeah, that's where I feel like that word cameo is relevant. A cameo, is that not when you appear as yourself?

Harry:
I thought a cameo was just like a brief appearance in the back of a, of a film.

Charlie:
It says a small but noticeable part in a film or play performed by a famous actor.

Harry:
So not necessarily playing themselves.

Charlie:
No, true. But they're famous to the point where, you know, it's like, oh, that person.

Harry:
Yeah. That's true.

Charlie:
Okay. Right. Well.

Harry:
Do you want to guess who that is?

Charlie:
Yes. I won't look at you because I feel like you don't have a poker face. Is that true?

Harry:
You know who it is, don't you? Because you've seen that film.

Charlie:
Uh, yeah. Quite a few people were in that film, but yes, I think it was Ed Sheeran.

Harry:
Oh, dear. You sure you don't want to rethink that?

Charlie:
Is that your final answer? Okay. Alright, my turn. Let's do one more quick one. This person was also a musician. They passed away. I don't know what year, but I don't want to say the age yet. We're just going to leave it at that for now. Until you ask questions. They were, I'd say, iconic in in many ways. And, um, yeah, their voice was incredibly unique.

Harry:
Okay. Okay, okay. Were they a solo artist or part of a band?

Charlie:
They were a solo artist.

Harry:
What genre are we talking? Pop?

Charlie:
No, I would say a blend of jazz and R&B.

Harry:
Okay.

Charlie:
Maybe soul as well.

Harry:
Okay. Are we talking about a lady or a fella?

Charlie:
We're talking about a lady.

Harry:
A lady, okay. Does she have a kind of husky voice? Raspy voice?

Charlie:
A husky, raspy...

Harry:
Harsh sounding, hoarse.

Charlie:
A raspy voice sounds unpleasantly rough.

Harry:
Is her voice unpleasantly rough?

Charlie:
I wouldn't say so. I would say smooth, like chocolate. But what was the first one? First adjective you said?

Harry:
Kind of like. What did I say?

Charlie:
Husky.

Harry:
Husky voice.

Charlie:
Husky. Yeah, I would assume so. A voice that is husky is low and rough, often in an attractive way. Yeah.

Harry:
Or because of illness. Okay. A husky voice. Yeah? So a rough, low, attractive voice. Yeah? She wasn't ill. Okay. And she passed away too soon, I'm guessing.

Charlie:
We have come to the end of part two now. So again, feel free to pause the episode to take a break from your listening practice and come back to the last part when you're ready.

Charlie:
Alright, so moving on to part three now. Enjoy.

Charlie:
Yes.

Harry:
Yeah?

Charlie:
Yeah, definitely. Do you know of the well known age of some singers and songwriters that went before their time?

Harry:
The 27 club?

Charlie:
Yeah, the 27 club. She was part of it.

Harry:
Yeah, I know exactly who you're talking about, my friend. I am a big fan. I love, I love her.

Charlie:
Nice. Okay. Could you describe her in any other way, or could you describe any extra things that we haven't discussed before you give her away? Give away her identity. Not give her away.

Harry:
Well, she was quite a troubled soul, wasn't she?

Charlie:
Mhm. Yeah.

Harry:
Struggled with her mental health and addictions and alcoholism and drugs. She had a pretty rough time didn't she?

Charlie:
We're thinking about the same person. Yes.

Harry:
Yeah. My word. She was amazing. She was absolutely incredible.

Charlie:
Yeah. How would you describe her hair?

Harry:
She was probably one of the first people. She popularised the beehive, didn't she?

Charlie:
Nice. Yeah.

Harry:
This was an interesting. Yeah. Hairstyle that looked like a beehive on the head. Very high kind of tower of hair that was arranged like a beehive.

Charlie:
Yes, and a beehive is a home for bees. Which is crazy to think that that's the name of a hairstyle, because can't imagine many people want a home for bees on their head.

Harry:
But yeah, it's just like a mad beehive hairstyle. A distinctive and iconic woman's hairstyle that gained popularity in the 1960s. Apparently. It's characterised by its tall, rounded and voluminous shape, resembling the shape of a beehive. Yeah. Okay.

Charlie:
Yeah. Okay, so it's come back around. Yeah. Actually, thinking of some pictures back in the day, that era. I can I can remember those kind of hairstyles.

Harry:
Audrey Hepburn had a beehive, but it was nothing like Amy Winehouse's beehive. That was a lot bigger and more voluminous.

Charlie:
Yeah. And just to go back to the 27 club, because you mentioned that and I didn't really explain it. For those that don't know, it refers to a group of influential musicians, artists and actors who died at the age of 27. The idea of the 27 club has been considered by some as a cultural phenomenon, reflecting the tragic and untimely deaths of several notable and influential individuals in the entertainment industry. And we have Jim Morrison, Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Brian Jones, Kurt Cobain, Robert Johnson and this person that you're about to tell us. Who was it?

Harry:
It was Matthew. Amy Winehouse.

Charlie:
Yes. And that is a confusing line for non-Natives. The reason Harry called me Matthew then wasn't because he was confusing me with Charlie's partner called Matthew, who's no longer bald. There was a TV show, a talent show in the UK in the 90s or later. Noughties.

Harry:
Yeah, 90s and noughties, I'd say.

Charlie:
Right. Okay. And it was an everyday person goes on and they pretend to be somebody famous, right?

Harry:
Yeah. They would dress up as and perform a song.

Charlie:
Yes, as this person.

Harry:
But it was all about doing an impersonation. Yeah.

Charlie:
Yes. And the host of that show was called Matthew and the line before they go away backstage to turn into this person, and then they would come out through the smokescreen. They would say, tonight, Matthew, I am going to be blah, blah, blah.

Harry:
That's it.

Charlie:
It's actually a cultural phrase. I'd say it's a phrase that we would joke about quite often just how you did. Right?

Harry:
Definitely. Tonight, Matthew, I'm going to be Amy Winehouse. Yeah, it would have been before Amy Winehouse's time, wouldn't it? Stars in their eyes.

Charlie:
Yes. Stars in their eyes. I couldn't think of the name. There you go.

Harry:
Yeah, yeah. Matthew Kelly. Matthew Kelly. He was wrongly accused of being a paedophile.

Charlie:
Oh right. Well, well done for mentioning it again for him. Forever haunted by that. That's great.

Harry:
Matthew, if you're listening. I never doubted you. All of my family did.

Charlie:
Right. Okay, so we're coming towards the end of the episode and so we can reveal the other ones. So Amy Winehouse. Yes, that was correct. Well done. Bravo, Matthew. Harry, your name is Harry. The one that I was thinking of was, I believe was Ed Sheeran. Was I right or wrong?

Harry:
Well done Matthew.

Charlie:
The reference we're making now doesn't make sense, by the way. And then the one that you guessed at the beginning was who did you say?

Harry:
Emma Watson?

Charlie:
Yes, it was Emma Watson. Yes. Clapping yourself.

Harry:
I knew I was right!

Charlie:
Okay, well, there we go. Thank you very much, Harry, for playing Guess who. I don't know how I could make a joke about tonight Matthew. I will be. Tonight Matthew, you're going to be the winner? No. It's rubbish.

Harry:
Yeah. That's right. Now, tonight, Matthew, I have been Charlie Baxter and you have been great.

Charlie:
There we go. Let's do that. But yeah, thank you very much for listening to the end of this. Well done. And see you soon, Harry. Hopefully. But see you guys next week on the British English Podcast. Bye bye, Harry.

Harry:
Thank you. Bye.

Charlie:
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Charlie:
Hello and welcome to the British English Podcast. In today's episode, I am joined with Harry, the one and only nutter that I rudely accidentally labelled in the previous episode I did with Harry. Is that right? Is that how I called you?

Harry:
I think you, you were introducing me in some way. But you you started with an adjective beginning with an N or calling me something.

Charlie:
Yes, I said the one and only, Harry.

Harry:
Like a slip of the tongue.

Charlie:
Yeah, but said the one and only Harry Giles. And you thought I was about to say the nutter. Yes.

Harry:
Yeah, yeah.

Charlie:
That's it.

Harry:
You were probably just going to call me Nathan or something by accident. The one and only Nathan Giles.

Charlie:
Yeah. The Nathans that I use on the podcast, that I speak with on the podcast.

Harry:
Have you had?

Charlie:
No, I don't think I've had a Nathan.

Harry:
Have you had a Nathan?

Charlie:
Don't think so.

Harry:
It's a shame.

Charlie:
Just before we clicked record, we were talking about your your hair right now. So today your hair is... Would you say you're having a good hair day?

Harry:
No. But the good hair days are getting less and less frequent in my life.

Charlie:
Why is that?

Harry:
The older I get. Because Charlie, I am balding. My hair is thinning to a worrying degree now. Yeah, it seems to be getting thinner and thinner. And yeah, I'm at a loss as to what to do with my hair.

Charlie:
You went to my wedding recently and you met Charlie's partner, so I'm called Charlie. But Stacey's bridesmaid is also called Charlie, short for Charlotte. Her partner Matthew. He used to be bald and he now has a head of hair.

Harry:
Oh, sorry. Who is Charlie again?

Charlie:
Charlie's the blonde bride... Well, there were 2 or 3 blonde bridesmaids, but one of them.

Harry:
Oh!

Charlie:
Her partner Matthew. Big guy. Yeah. There were two main... Big, manly, manly men. One of them was bald and the other one was not.

Harry:
Right. The non bald one.

Charlie:
So the non bald one was bald before.

Harry:
Right. Yeah. Didn't really think much of his hair.

Charlie:
No. Well.

Harry:
So I didn't go away from that wedding thinking what a lovely head of hair that that bloke. Well I didn't even know what his name was.

Charlie:
Matthew. He is going for a second round, unfortunately for him, because it's a very painful process. But he was saying that he was hoping that it would have blossomed into a thick head of hair, but it hasn't yet. And so he needs to go for another round of it. But it's just interesting that this is even an option in this day and age to get a hair transplant.

Harry:
Yeah, it's mad, isn't it? Like if you have enough money, it's a very feasible option. It's like, yeah, I'm just going to go and do that.

Charlie:
Yeah. Very painful though.

Harry:
Some people are like that. Yeah. It's a good option to fall back on. I've never thought about it being painful. I've never considered that side of it because I haven't met anyone who's had that treatment. But I guess it would be, right? It's it's a kind of replacement surgery. Right? They're kind of implanting.

Charlie:
They're implanting the follicle, I think, in under the skin. And that means basically that follicle will make your skull bleed from that one point times 1000, because you've got to have that everywhere. So there's like a thousand points of bleeding.

Harry:
Yeah, I think I will go for it actually.

Charlie:
Yeah. I'm an ambassador for it.

Harry:
Put it like that. A thousand points of bleeding. Come to Turkey, get your hair done.

Charlie:
What makes you say that? Somebody else said that the other day. You go to Turkey for it.

Harry:
They're quite, I don't know, they're quite famous for. Or are they famous for doing dental?

Charlie:
Yeah, maybe. I don't know. I've never. I've not heard of this, but maybe I've been out of the country.

Harry:
I've just heard you can get quite cheap cosmetic surgery in Turkey is what I've heard.

Charlie:
Right. Okay. Well, maybe. I'm actually blessed with a good head of hair and I don't see it going anywhere anytime soon. You're... Looking at your face I...

Harry:
You wait. That's what I said five years ago.

Charlie:
Really? But, I mean...

Harry:
Are you saying I've been balding for longer?

Charlie:
Yes. I mean, it's it if you look at your father.

Harry:
Yeah, it's not surprising.

Charlie:
It's not surprising?

Harry:
No.

Charlie:
And your brother...

Harry:
It shouldn't come as a great shock.

Charlie:
Your brother's hair. What's his hairline like?

Harry:
Very thick. His hair's very, very thick. Yeah.

Charlie:
Pardon me.

Harry:
Yeah.

Charlie:
He's got.

Harry:
You're pardoned.

Charlie:
Is it all the way down?

Harry:
Yeah. He's got a good hairline. And he's got a thick head of hair.

Charlie:
Oh right.

Harry:
Yeah. Very dense.

Charlie:
I stand corrected. Apologies if any of your family are listening to this.

Harry:
They're not. No. Haha. No. When we went our separate ways from root, that was well and truly it for my parents consuming anything with your voice on.

Charlie:
Really, they don't feel the urge to get some more Harry through bet?

Harry:
No, there's no speak of it. There'll be no talk of bear at the dinner table. No. I'm joking. How's the podcast? Mum. Shut it. No surprise. Yeah. So, yes, it came as no surprise that. Well, it should come as no surprise that I'm starting to thin on top. I say starting. It probably started a while ago, to be honest. And one of my mates, JJ from uni, he was the first to point out that I had a bald patch appearing on the crown of my head.

Charlie:
Oh, and that was recent when you saw him last?

Harry:
No, that was ten years ago.

Charlie:
Okay, right.

Harry:
More than ten years ago.

Charlie:
Oh, I see, I see. Right. And so do you think you could rock a skinhead?

Harry:
That's a good question. And I don't know. I remember when I was a kid, I had a, I shaved my head at one point and I thought I looked, I thought I looked pretty cool. You really don't know until you do it, do you? You don't know what shape your head has taken.

Charlie:
I think some people know that it's absolutely not going to work like me, like my alien little head. Don't think that would ever pass as anything other than very ill.

Harry:
Oh, he is ill. Is that what happens to ill people? Their head goes a weird shape.

Charlie:
No, just no, no. It's just if your head is that shape, there's no logical reason as to have shaved your head other than.

Harry:
Oh, I see.

Charlie:
Because you're ill and you've lost your hair. Yeah. Exposing that kind of head shape.

Harry:
The hair loss is not an illness.

Charlie:
No, hair loss is not an illness. It's a part of growing older and being wiser to tell many interesting tales.

Harry:
It's a part of death. One step. But it's a good reminder of death.

Charlie:
Is it? Yes. Each.

Harry:
Yeah. I think it is.

Charlie:
In a depressing way or an enlightening way?

Harry:
Well, it can go either way, can't it? But yeah, everything that we lose can be a either a refreshing or an enlightening or depressing reminder that we're going to end up in the ground.

Charlie:
Imagining you clipping your fingernails, either crying or laughing with joy.

Harry:
That's why I got them so long. That's a loss. That's a monthly loss I'm trying to cut down on. Oh, pardon the pun.

Charlie:
Don't pardon the pun. I think. Okay, so today's episode, we're done with the small talk now I think, aren't we? We've peaked with the cutting of fingernails. That equals end of chit chat onto theme.

Harry:
Yeah.

Charlie:
Today's theme. Harry, would you like to do the honours and tell the listeners?

Harry:
Yeah. So I might be wrong, Charlie, but aren't we playing a game of Guess Who today?

Charlie:
We are. Yes.

Harry:
Celebrity Guess Who. It always is Celebrity Guess Who though, isn't it? It's not like random blokes in the pub guess who?

Charlie:
Yeah, Dave on the corner of my street. Guess who? That wouldn't quite work, would it? Guess who Celebrities. I hope that you are keeping in mind that it is British celebrities to add to the British culture of the of the theme of the episode and the show. But yeah, we're going to take it in turns to guess each other's thoughts, effectively creating some some good questions for you guys to appreciate the structure of the questions, and also the adjectives that we give each other in response to who we're thinking about. Harry, would you like to go first as the guesser, or would you prefer me to go first as the guesser?

Harry:
I'd like to be the guesser if that's okay.

Charlie:
Okay. Yes it is okay. We're all okay. Okay, so the first person that I'm thinking of. I don't want to give you too much of a clue straight away, but they are very well known for having been part of our teenage years. We were born in the 1990s. Throughout the noughties.

Harry:
Okay. Am I to ask you questions?

Charlie:
Yeah. Go for a question.

Harry:
Is it... Were they a child? Were they in their childhood years when we were...

Charlie:
Yes they were.

Harry:
When we were in the nineties.

Charlie:
Yes. They were also in their childhood years. In fact, they were of a similar age to us whilst they were on our...

Harry:
At the height of their fame.

Charlie:
At the height of their fame. Well, were they at the height of their fame? I think this person has continued to do a variety of things, but still stay in the forefront of our minds.

Harry:
Wow. Yeah, I'm struggling because normally what came to my head straight away was Macaulay Culkin. But he's obviously American, but he's someone that I remember being very successful when we were kids. But I mean, he's definitely older than us. He's probably like eight years older than us. Yeah. Interesting. I'm intrigued. I'm intrigued. How would you... Can I ask open questions or do they have to be yes/no questions?

Charlie:
They could be open questions. Yeah.

Harry:
Okay. How would you describe this person's personality?

Charlie:
I would describe them to be very kind, charming, probably in a feminine way, because charming is often collocated, I'd say more with males, which is interesting to think about, isn't it?

Harry:
It's true. Yeah, it's very true.

Charlie:
Obviously a shame.

Harry:
Yeah. It's about like it's often associated with like, chivalry, being a gentleman.

Charlie:
Yes.

Harry:
But okay. So in a feminine way, does this mean that he and he's gay or he's camp or is it a female?

Charlie:
It's a female. Oh, a good word would be incredibly altruistic towards the latter part of her career. Again, very active now. But she wasn't known for her altruism at the beginning of her rise to fame.

Harry:
That's interesting. Is she an actress?

Charlie:
She is an actress.

Harry:
Okay. And she does a lot of... What's her like? What are her favourite causes in terms of the activism and charity work she does? Is she a feminist?

Charlie:
She is a feminist. Yes. I believe she's a United Nations Women Goodwill ambassador. Or was, I'm not sure if she still is.

Harry:
At last.

Charlie:
What else? I'll throw another thing in there. She's a graduate from Brown University.

Harry:
Brown University? What is that?

Charlie:
Brown University.

Harry:
I've never heard of that.

Charlie:
In America. In Rhode Island.

Harry:
Oh, right. Duh. Brown University in Rhode Island. Okay, interesting.

Charlie:
I think it is probably one of the top universities over there.

Harry:
Okay, think I was. Well, firstly, I don't even know. I'm not going to pretend I know what that university is, but. Okay, so she was educated in America. That's interesting. But rose to fame here in the UK. I think I've got a face in my. I've got a name in mind. Shall I go for it?

Charlie:
No not yet. Let's just add. So I think this was after her usual education. This was probably a masters or something.

Harry:
Okay, okay. So a bit of further study, higher education.

Charlie:
Does that change your mind or you feel like you know?

Harry:
I feel like I know. I might be well off, but do you find her attractive?

Charlie:
I do find her very attractive. Yes. She's a beautiful person.

Harry:
Oh. Beautiful person. Yeah. Nice. Okay.

Charlie:
I would also add that she's sophisticated. Got a sophisticated look.

Harry:
Okay. Yeah.

Charlie:
Does that help you?

Harry:
That fits the profile that I have in mind.

Charlie:
Another one you could say, fits the bill. Isn't that a phrase? Fit the bill.

Harry:
Fits the bill. A bit different, but it's definitely a phrase.

Charlie:
Is it different to fits the profile?

Harry:
Fits the bill.

Charlie:
To be suitable for a particular purpose. Fit the bill.

Harry:
Yeah, okay. I mean, like, she fits the profile that I have in mind, like the person who I'm thinking of. But, yeah, fits the bill would definitely work. Like if we said if we were making a film and we had a role that we were looking for a... We are casting for, looking for an actress. We could say, yeah, she definitely fits the bill. Like she is perfect for this role.

Charlie:
Yes. Exactly. Nice. Okay, so you think you've got her in mind?

Harry:
Yeah, I think I do. I can ask you more questions if you like. Was she in a massive series of blockbuster films?

Charlie:
She was. Yes, she was in a... One, probably one of the biggest franchises of films that we've, we've had in our lives. Yeah.

Harry:
Okay, I've got her. Although I can't think of her name. All I can think of is her on-screen name.

Charlie:
Okay, you tell me her on-screen name, who you think it was, and then I will reveal whether that's true or not later in the episode. But we can talk about your your thoughts.

Harry:
Oh, golly. So we have to continue without even knowing if we've got it right.

Charlie:
Yeah, yeah, yeah. Well, at the end of the episode, you will find out.

Harry:
Wow.

Charlie:
You know, it's an exam. The answers are at the end of the.

Harry:
Exactly. It's like a really fun exam.

Charlie:
Well, no, it's not an exam. It's like a worksheet because an exam you can't really cheat like that, can you?

Harry:
This is a worksheet, guys. Enjoy your worksheet. Welcome to the worksheet. So I'm going to say Hermione Granger. I'm not going to look at you because your face is going to tell me I'm right or wrong.

Charlie:
I've got poker face. So. Hermione Granger okay. You think it's Hermione Granger and that is... You still don't remember?

Harry:
Still don't remember.

Charlie:
No? So that person is called Emma Watson.

Harry:
Oh, yeah. Of course. Emma Watson.

Charlie:
Yes.

Harry:
These names just get lost. I can see different actresses and actors and, like, I don't know their names. I'm really bad with that.

Charlie:
Well, you're not a big Harry Potter fan, so I'll let you off on that.

Harry:
Yeah. Thank you.

Charlie:
Have you watched any of the films?

Harry:
I've seen most of them.

Charlie:
Oh, you've seen most of them. You just still don't like them?

Harry:
No.

Charlie:
Did you watch them when you were younger?

Harry:
No. I watched them a bit late, to be fair, I think. No, I, I had one disappointing British holiday. British summer holiday to Whitby or something. We stayed in this cottage. It was called Rock cottage. Every other year we were lucky enough to go to somewhere really nice. We'd go to Greece or something, and then the other year we would stay in England and we'd go often to this place, Rock cottage, and it was nice. It was in a really nice little town. But, you know, when you're young you want to just go abroad and get lots of sun.

Charlie:
Yes.

Harry:
And then on one occasion it was particularly rainy. It was a really wet week. It was horrid. And we turned this small dining room table into a table tennis table, which was really fun. That's when I got into ping pong.

Charlie:
Which you are excellent at now.

Harry:
Thank you Charlie. Not sure if I am now to be honest, but appreciate it anyway. I'll take that. But when we weren't playing ping pong, I was watching Harry Potter and I. I watched, I think the first three just, like, bashed them out and loved them. And then I didn't revisit them for another five years, probably. And I watched the first one. I really liked the first one, actually. I like the first one, quite enjoyed the second. Then I was like, yeah, okay, I'm done.

Charlie:
Yeah, they do change. They evolved throughout the the whole series of films. Definitely. They got a lot darker throughout three and four and then really quite dark. Yeah. I think it might be an age thing because I, I'm 33 years old and I still like to play video games. Sue me. And I was very excited for the Harry Potter video game that came out earlier this year. I bought it recently and I couldn't stand it or I couldn't. I mean, I haven't given it a fair chance, but I tried it for a whole two days and yeah, didn't enjoy it at all. Felt like I was being treated like a child on the game. And then I realised, hmm yes, that's because I am being treated like a child. It was designed for younger people than me. Maybe, maybe. But the books do cater for all ages, I'd say. I think all adults can enjoy the books. But you, you didn't give them a go?

Harry:
No, I think I tried reading the first one. I read a couple of pages. My friend William lent them to me and I was just like, no, I wasn't into reading. Couldn't get into it. Just, I don't know. Yeah, it just wasn't I wasn't interested at all.

Charlie:
But you read a lot in Spanish, don't you?

Harry:
Not really.

Charlie:
You used to. When we would go on trips, you'd get your Kindle out and you'd read Spanish books all the time.

Harry:
I was in a good habit of reading but nah, I've been pretty... Been slacking in recent years, to be honest with you.

Charlie:
My follow up question would have been... Do you think you've read more Spanish books than English? But..

Harry:
Well, maybe it would be close. I haven't read that many novels. What I need to read more. Because sometimes when I get into a book, I'm like, this is the best thing. Like, you get lost in it. It's satisfying, you know? Yeah, I need to do this more. But there's so many things we could do with our time. And I choose to spend mine watching porn. I'm joking.

Charlie:
God!

Harry:
I'm joking. I don't do that. I watch, I tell you what I watch, Charlie, I watch monks on YouTube talking about Buddhism. That's what I watch.

Charlie:
Yeah you do. I can imagine that. I mean, I'm not imagining the other thing, but yeah.

Harry:
I don't watch porn. Honestly, I barely watch it.

Charlie:
Well, I think that means we are ready for the next celebrity, but this time I will be doing the guessing. Would you like to set me up with your first celeb?

Harry:
Absolutely.

Charlie:
We have come to the end of part one, so feel free to take a break from your listening practice, but if you're happy to keep going, then we're now moving on to part two of this episode. Thanks so much for being a premium or Academy member and enjoy the rest of the show.

Harry:
Okay, so my first celeb is a fabulous person who I would describe, I slash ChatGPT would describe as an enigmatic person. Yeah, not someone you can, um, you quite understand when you first see him or her.

Charlie:
Oh. Okay.

Harry:
Yeah. You're not quite sure what you're getting, but you get to know this person quite... You do get to know them and you learn that they are very authentic. I would describe them as very down to earth.

Charlie:
Okay.

Harry:
Despite their, their success. And they are a mega star. Despite their stardom, they have remained very much... Yeah, kind of grounded. And I think that's something that makes them so, so likeable.

Charlie:
Okay. And they reached fame through the arts or something else?

Harry:
Correct. It is through the arts.

Charlie:
Through the arts.

Harry:
Indeed.

Charlie:
In the form of music, traditional art, TV or film or none of the above?

Harry:
In the. Well, they definitely will have appeared in the odd film, no doubt, but that is not their their main form of art. Yes, they are musicians.

Charlie:
Okay.

Harry:
They are a musician. I'm using the impersonal they. I am talking about one individual.

Charlie:
Yes. They are a musician. Okay. Yes, but also potentially featured in a film. And they are enigmatic you say?

Harry:
They are an enigma. Enigmatic.

Charlie:
They are an enigma. They are an enigma. They are an enigma. It's quite hard to say that quite quickly with an. An enigma. An enigma.

Harry:
It's like, you know, you feel like with this person, you know them when you see them, but then you think, actually, there's probably a lot more to them than than meets the eye.

Charlie:
Right. Okay. Are they traditionally are they attractive in the traditional sense?

Harry:
No they're not. It's just a really average looking person. You could... Sort of person you might bump into in the pub and there's, you know, nothing remarkable about them in a, in terms of their looks.

Charlie:
Okay. Okay. Yes. I think I'm starting to gather some names going on that. Would you say they lean on an instrument more or their vocal talent more?

Harry:
That's a good question. I would say... They're are kind of all rounder really. They are a good instrumentalist, but at the same time, cracking voice and boy do they know how to write songs. So this is a... An amazing, a prolific songwriter. They have released a lot of music in a career that has spanned probably ten years?

Charlie:
Ten years. Okay, maybe more or maybe less? Would it be what would you guess? Like more or less than ten years?

Harry:
I'd say around. I'd say maybe slightly longer. Yeah. I think I first heard about this guy when we were at uni, so that would have been like probably 2010, because. And the reason I heard about this guy, well, I heard about him because you have to hear about these people because they're everywhere. They're in the news, they're on the TV, they're on the radio, Spotify. But I was speaking to my my girlfriend at the time, Emma Rose Tully. Love you. She was like, oh, you know this guy? He was from from my area. I once saw him at.. I once met him at a house party.

Charlie:
Oh, okay.

Harry:
Yeah. I was like, oh, God, that's crazy.

Charlie:
Yeah, right. Yeah. Once I know who it is, that would be even more crazy. But you've already said that. Yeah. Huge person. So yeah, that is crazy. Yeah, I think I know who it is. And this person is a guitarist?

Harry:
Oh, might well be, might well be.

Charlie:
And this person was one of the earlier adopters or certainly one of the people that brought this tool to the mainstream attention, let's say, which is the loop pedal.

Harry:
Could well be, could well have popularised the the loop pedal. Yeah, okay. Could well have done.

Charlie:
And what films do you think this person has been in? Do you know?

Harry:
Well, I only know of one of them. So I was watching a film. Don't I see you're googling something, Charlie? Okay. Stop what you're doing there. Unbelievable.

Charlie:
Actually, I was only going to Google the word cameo just to confirm that it's the right word. I think it is. To cameo in a film.

Harry:
Cameo. Yeah, yeah, that's a word. Yeah, he was more than a cameo. I would say. He had lines. There were like several scenes with him. Okay. Yeah, he played a you know a decent part in it. It was a film called Yesterday about the Beatles. It was a really funny film. I loved it. It was a Netflix film, and the premise was there was like this massive kind of worldwide kind of power cut, just society. Everything just stopped for like 10 seconds. And for some reason, after this power cut was was up and the lights came back on, the whole world had forgotten about the existence of the Beatles, except for one guy who was a massive Beatles fan. He was on a, his own journey in music and trying to get a name for himself, but he was getting nowhere, so he started. He didn't realise that people had forgotten about the Beatles, and one day he was given a guitar and he starts playing it and he sings Yesterday or yeah, one of the Beatles classics, and his friends just start crying. They're like, oh my God, this, that is the most beautiful song. And they're like, he's like, It's the Beatles, Yesterday. How do you not know this? And they're like, that is the best song you've ever written. And then he's like, what? And he starts playing other songs and realises the world has just forgotten who the Beatles are. And then he starts, yeah, releasing their songs.

Charlie:
Let's leave it there, just in case somebody hasn't seen the plot or hasn't seen the film, because it is a really nice film. I definitely encourage people to watch that. Lovely. But yeah, it's an interesting plot for sure. And so that person or the person that we're talking about in question is they show up on that film or they are a... They play a part on that film sorry. Do they?

Harry:
Yeah, they play themselves. They play themselves.

Charlie:
So yeah, that's where I feel like that word cameo is relevant. A cameo, is that not when you appear as yourself?

Harry:
I thought a cameo was just like a brief appearance in the back of a, of a film.

Charlie:
It says a small but noticeable part in a film or play performed by a famous actor.

Harry:
So not necessarily playing themselves.

Charlie:
No, true. But they're famous to the point where, you know, it's like, oh, that person.

Harry:
Yeah. That's true.

Charlie:
Okay. Right. Well.

Harry:
Do you want to guess who that is?

Charlie:
Yes. I won't look at you because I feel like you don't have a poker face. Is that true?

Harry:
You know who it is, don't you? Because you've seen that film.

Charlie:
Uh, yeah. Quite a few people were in that film, but yes, I think it was Ed Sheeran.

Harry:
Oh, dear. You sure you don't want to rethink that?

Charlie:
Is that your final answer? Okay. Alright, my turn. Let's do one more quick one. This person was also a musician. They passed away. I don't know what year, but I don't want to say the age yet. We're just going to leave it at that for now. Until you ask questions. They were, I'd say, iconic in in many ways. And, um, yeah, their voice was incredibly unique.

Harry:
Okay. Okay, okay. Were they a solo artist or part of a band?

Charlie:
They were a solo artist.

Harry:
What genre are we talking? Pop?

Charlie:
No, I would say a blend of jazz and R&B.

Harry:
Okay.

Charlie:
Maybe soul as well.

Harry:
Okay. Are we talking about a lady or a fella?

Charlie:
We're talking about a lady.

Harry:
A lady, okay. Does she have a kind of husky voice? Raspy voice?

Charlie:
A husky, raspy...

Harry:
Harsh sounding, hoarse.

Charlie:
A raspy voice sounds unpleasantly rough.

Harry:
Is her voice unpleasantly rough?

Charlie:
I wouldn't say so. I would say smooth, like chocolate. But what was the first one? First adjective you said?

Harry:
Kind of like. What did I say?

Charlie:
Husky.

Harry:
Husky voice.

Charlie:
Husky. Yeah, I would assume so. A voice that is husky is low and rough, often in an attractive way. Yeah.

Harry:
Or because of illness. Okay. A husky voice. Yeah? So a rough, low, attractive voice. Yeah? She wasn't ill. Okay. And she passed away too soon, I'm guessing.

Charlie:
We have come to the end of part two now. So again, feel free to pause the episode to take a break from your listening practice and come back to the last part when you're ready.

Charlie:
Alright, so moving on to part three now. Enjoy.

Charlie:
Yes.

Harry:
Yeah?

Charlie:
Yeah, definitely. Do you know of the well known age of some singers and songwriters that went before their time?

Harry:
The 27 club?

Charlie:
Yeah, the 27 club. She was part of it.

Harry:
Yeah, I know exactly who you're talking about, my friend. I am a big fan. I love, I love her.

Charlie:
Nice. Okay. Could you describe her in any other way, or could you describe any extra things that we haven't discussed before you give her away? Give away her identity. Not give her away.

Harry:
Well, she was quite a troubled soul, wasn't she?

Charlie:
Mhm. Yeah.

Harry:
Struggled with her mental health and addictions and alcoholism and drugs. She had a pretty rough time didn't she?

Charlie:
We're thinking about the same person. Yes.

Harry:
Yeah. My word. She was amazing. She was absolutely incredible.

Charlie:
Yeah. How would you describe her hair?

Harry:
She was probably one of the first people. She popularised the beehive, didn't she?

Charlie:
Nice. Yeah.

Harry:
This was an interesting. Yeah. Hairstyle that looked like a beehive on the head. Very high kind of tower of hair that was arranged like a beehive.

Charlie:
Yes, and a beehive is a home for bees. Which is crazy to think that that's the name of a hairstyle, because can't imagine many people want a home for bees on their head.

Harry:
But yeah, it's just like a mad beehive hairstyle. A distinctive and iconic woman's hairstyle that gained popularity in the 1960s. Apparently. It's characterised by its tall, rounded and voluminous shape, resembling the shape of a beehive. Yeah. Okay.

Charlie:
Yeah. Okay, so it's come back around. Yeah. Actually, thinking of some pictures back in the day, that era. I can I can remember those kind of hairstyles.

Harry:
Audrey Hepburn had a beehive, but it was nothing like Amy Winehouse's beehive. That was a lot bigger and more voluminous.

Charlie:
Yeah. And just to go back to the 27 club, because you mentioned that and I didn't really explain it. For those that don't know, it refers to a group of influential musicians, artists and actors who died at the age of 27. The idea of the 27 club has been considered by some as a cultural phenomenon, reflecting the tragic and untimely deaths of several notable and influential individuals in the entertainment industry. And we have Jim Morrison, Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Brian Jones, Kurt Cobain, Robert Johnson and this person that you're about to tell us. Who was it?

Harry:
It was Matthew. Amy Winehouse.

Charlie:
Yes. And that is a confusing line for non-Natives. The reason Harry called me Matthew then wasn't because he was confusing me with Charlie's partner called Matthew, who's no longer bald. There was a TV show, a talent show in the UK in the 90s or later. Noughties.

Harry:
Yeah, 90s and noughties, I'd say.

Charlie:
Right. Okay. And it was an everyday person goes on and they pretend to be somebody famous, right?

Harry:
Yeah. They would dress up as and perform a song.

Charlie:
Yes, as this person.

Harry:
But it was all about doing an impersonation. Yeah.

Charlie:
Yes. And the host of that show was called Matthew and the line before they go away backstage to turn into this person, and then they would come out through the smokescreen. They would say, tonight, Matthew, I am going to be blah, blah, blah.

Harry:
That's it.

Charlie:
It's actually a cultural phrase. I'd say it's a phrase that we would joke about quite often just how you did. Right?

Harry:
Definitely. Tonight, Matthew, I'm going to be Amy Winehouse. Yeah, it would have been before Amy Winehouse's time, wouldn't it? Stars in their eyes.

Charlie:
Yes. Stars in their eyes. I couldn't think of the name. There you go.

Harry:
Yeah, yeah. Matthew Kelly. Matthew Kelly. He was wrongly accused of being a paedophile.

Charlie:
Oh right. Well, well done for mentioning it again for him. Forever haunted by that. That's great.

Harry:
Matthew, if you're listening. I never doubted you. All of my family did.

Charlie:
Right. Okay, so we're coming towards the end of the episode and so we can reveal the other ones. So Amy Winehouse. Yes, that was correct. Well done. Bravo, Matthew. Harry, your name is Harry. The one that I was thinking of was, I believe was Ed Sheeran. Was I right or wrong?

Harry:
Well done Matthew.

Charlie:
The reference we're making now doesn't make sense, by the way. And then the one that you guessed at the beginning was who did you say?

Harry:
Emma Watson?

Charlie:
Yes, it was Emma Watson. Yes. Clapping yourself.

Harry:
I knew I was right!

Charlie:
Okay, well, there we go. Thank you very much, Harry, for playing Guess who. I don't know how I could make a joke about tonight Matthew. I will be. Tonight Matthew, you're going to be the winner? No. It's rubbish.

Harry:
Yeah. That's right. Now, tonight, Matthew, I have been Charlie Baxter and you have been great.

Charlie:
There we go. Let's do that. But yeah, thank you very much for listening to the end of this. Well done. And see you soon, Harry. Hopefully. But see you guys next week on the British English Podcast. Bye bye, Harry.

Harry:
Thank you. Bye.

Charlie:
There we go. The end of part three. Meaning the end of the episode. Well done for getting through the entirety of it. Make sure you use all of the resources available to you in your membership. Thanks once again for supporting the show, and I look forward to seeing you next time on the British English Podcast.

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