Bitesize Episode 75 -Legacy and Laughter: Navigating Life's Big Questions | Ft. Harry

Discover a blend of laughter and introspection with Charlie and Harry as they offer a refreshing perspective on fear, legacy, and the journey of self-discovery.
Mar 20 / Charlie Baxter

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Discover a blend of laughter and introspection with Charlie and Harry as they offer a refreshing perspective on fear, legacy, and the journey of self-discovery.

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Charlie:
Hello, hello, hello, welcome to the British English Podcast with me, your caffeinated host, Charlie Baxter, and his co-pilot, Harry Giles. He is here to help me through the diary of a CEO conversation cards. We've done level one, level two, and now we're getting into level three. We did the previous levels in the last couple of bitesize episodes, so feel free to listen to them in the last 2 to 4 weeks since this recording or publish date. Hello, Harry. How are you?

Harry:
Hello. Very well, thank you. I'm ready to penetrate deeper in our conversations to depths never before travelled.

Charlie:
Nice, nice. Okay, well, let's get straight to it then. Yeah, I just picked up a superlative type question, so I'm going to skip that one. Oh, another deepest kind of gosh. I mean let's see how this one goes. What is your deepest fear?

Harry:
Uh, I know this one, uh, running out of Oatly.

Charlie:
Haha!

Harry:
Uh, no, I would probably.

Charlie:
What about running out of something else, Harry?

Harry:
Ah, I don't know what you're referring to. He's referring to toilet roll because it happened to me earlier today. Mid poo. Let's carry on. We're not going to go any deeper into that one.

Charlie:
No, don't need to take a shower after that thought.

Harry:
So no, I'm I'm worried, a fear that I have my greatest fear. And I think probably a lot of us share it, is losing my loved ones.

Charlie:
Oh is it?

Harry:
Yeah, yeah my love. Yeah. Exactly. Yeah. My nearest and dearest passing away. Absolutely.

Charlie:
Yeah. I don’t know why I responded in that way.

Harry:
My parents dying.

Charlie:
Yeah I think that shows something about me being quite evil.

Harry:
Is that not a fear of yours then? No?

Charlie:
If I was to dwell on it, I'm sure it would be. But I don't think about losing my my family members very much. I take that, I think I do stupidly, I do take them for granted, as in not trying to see them, but assuming that they are with me.

Harry:
Yeah.

Charlie:
I’ve not lost anyone close to me at like at the wrong age. They haven't gone too early like my grandparents have passed away, but they lived a good life, all of them. So I've not had that loss and very thankful for it. But I haven't really thought about the fear of losing them much. Do you think about that much?

Harry:
I do, yeah, sometimes scared that I'm not ready for it because I'm. I'm very close with my parents and stuff. So it is a fear that I have. Yeah, I don't think about it a lot. But you know, when we're sitting around and it's like, oh, this, this is nice. Like I just remind myself that, you know, it won't last forever. And it will. Yeah. One day they won't be there. So it's it's a good way of being grateful and, you know, not taking those people for granted. But yeah, it's definitely I think that's definitely my, my greatest fear I would say. Yeah. I am fascinated to learn of yours.

Charlie:
I mean, I can think of some superficial ones, but.

Harry:
Dropping your phone down a gutter or something or?

Charlie:
Yeah, well, cracking a phone screen is a big fear. Every time I drop my phone. That is the biggest fear in the moment, for sure. It surpasses.

Harry:
Sure. Yeah, of course.

Charlie:
Family death instantly.

Harry:
Loved ones dying. Yeah, yeah. The things we worry about are very often trivial, aren't they? They often mean absolutely nothing.

Charlie:
Speak for yourself, mate. A cracked phone screen is really upsetting. You know what? I think the biggest fear... what was? What is the exact wording? What is your deepest fear? My deepest fear is regretting becoming a parent if I was to be blessed with a child, I don't suppose it would be so such a blessing. But.

Harry:
So yeah, making the wrong decisions.

Charlie:
Yeah.

Harry:
I think that the fear of, you know, the what that is, is this. Yeah, the fear of making the wrong decision about your life. That is good. That is a crippling fear that so many people have, isn't it?

Charlie:
Yes.

Harry:
And the decision to to become a parent is a massive decision.

Charlie:
Because you can't really undo that.

Harry:
You can't.

Charlie:
It's a bit a bit naughty to undo it, especially later in their life.

Harry:
Okay. Like putting your children up for adoption, you mean? Or.

Charlie:
I was just thinking of taking them out to a farm or something and then. No. Yeah, yeah.

Harry:
I’m sure a farm would be happy to take. Take them off your hands. Yeah. I've got 100 cow. Uh, but no humans, actually, so I'll take them. Yeah.

Charlie:
Well, they would make good milkers. As in they would milk the cows.

Harry:
Yeah, well, they could just go down the supermarket, buy some Oatly.

Charlie:
Sure. Yeah.

Harry:
Save the cows.

Charlie:
Putting my children out of business drinking that oat milk.

Harry:
Your unborn children. So yeah, I get that. That is a deep fear. And I would have the same one if I, if I were in a, um, a marriage and we were considering having kids. I'm still not sure if I want to have kids. I look to my brother and I see that it's really hard work and they bring him joy, but also a lot of stress. And I don't know, I'm quite easily stressed and, uh, can get quite anxious about things. So the idea of having kids some something you have to worry about all the time, that's that's a big thing.

Charlie:
If he was put on a a lie detector. Do you think it would detect anything if they asked him, do you regret having kids? And obviously he'll say no, but do you think there would be any sort of pin wobble?

Harry:
Uh, I think if he was asked if he regrets having kids, I don't think the pin would wobble and he would say no, because he loves it. I can tell that he loves it.

Charlie:
Yeah.

Harry:
But if he was asked, I don't know. Do you, do you miss, like, you know, being not having kids then that would I think that would be difficult for him to to answer those kinds of questions. The freedoms that single life or maybe not single life, but, uh, you know, not being a parent has you can do what you like. You can do what you want. You lose that.

Charlie:
Well, yeah, I think that's I think that's it.

Harry:
Yeah. How long have you been having this? Yeah, that's a big one. That's a big one. Do you think about how often do you think about that?

Charlie:
Quite often, because we're getting to the point where we need to decide. It’s almost now or never. Stacy's 34 now. Yes. She could go. I mean, I've heard of women having healthy children up to the age of, I think, even 50 sometimes. But nowadays, I'd say most people get worried if they're not pregnant by the age of 35. Again, I don't want to send this out as like a piece of information that should affect anyone. But for our situation, we're aware that she's now 34. That's all I'm going to say because it's quite a sensitive topic, isn't it?

Harry:
Yeah. So she feels like the clock. You both feel like the clock is ticking and you, uh, yeah. You need to come up with a decision soon.

Charlie:
Yeah, I'd quite like five more years and then we could have a child. I think both of us are not ready. Although people say you're never ready, but, yeah, we we feel like we could have five more years of being who we are as we know it. And then I'd feel ready. But then again, the downside to that is that you're almost 40 and you've got a little one that you've got to look after. Your energy levels are probably not going to be as good, because when I was 20, I had a bit more spring to my step, a bit more of a spring to my step than being 33 now.

Harry:
But then you'd probably be. You might be better, your situation might be better, or you'd be more willing to put all of your energy into to that. So even if you have maybe less kind of vitality about you than you did when you were early 30s, you might be more. Yeah. Keen on the idea of being parents. Yeah, it's a hard one. What about adopting? Is that ever anything you would consider?

Charlie:
I'd bloody love to adopt.

Harry:
Yeah?

Charlie:
I say that and not think no I do. I have thought about it and I think we would adopt. Yes I would, I think that is a worthy, a very worthy thing to do. And I'd like to do that if we weren't able to have our own. I do think the, the world is overpopulated, but then I've heard other things where demographics are difficult to judge per country, and we're going to be offset and it's all going to be very complicated. So they're encouraging people to still keep having sexual intercourse for purposes other than pleasure.

Harry:
Please don't lower the tone. Sexual intercourse. My God. X-rated.

Charlie:
Yeah, because if we've got loads of pensioners, we need some workers. Don't we?

Harry:
True that.

Charlie:
Cause we'll be pensioners for ages. Hopefully.

Harry:
Hopefully.

Charlie:
I heard.

Harry:
People are definitely living longer, aren't they?

Charlie:
I heard that people who were born today are possibly likely to live to 150. They think that 150 is within reason because of the advancement within how to tackle ageing cells in the body.

Harry:
Wow. What about for us?

Charlie:
60. No, about 100, maybe. I mean, some some of our grandparents are hitting a hundred, so why not?

Harry:
Yeah. You do hear about more and more people that are in their 90s these days. It seems a lot more common for people to be reaching, uh, you know, mid late 90s.

Charlie:
Yeah. Do you think that means that the, you know, the telegram that the king or queen sends when they hit a hundred to congratulate them? Did you hear about that? That being a thing.

Harry:
Yeah. You got a letter from the Queen. The King? Yeah.

Charlie:
Do you think? Yeah. Not the app, the telegram. Do you think the King will continue this if it continues to increase in statistics, like, it's like, okay, you've got one letter to write today or you've got ten next week, you've got 1000 next month.

Harry:
Yeah this is getting ridiculous. Let's let's call it 110. Let's if they make it to 110, then I'll write the letter. Yeah.

Charlie:
Yes. Yeah that's a good that's a good rule. Yeah I like that.

Harry:
Call it 110. 100 is mental though. Not many people make it to 100. Do they?

Charlie:
No.

Harry:
Have you ever known of anyone who has like that you kind of know?

Charlie:
Oh really? I think I know of a couple not immediate family at all. But yeah, friends of friends, family members. They’re a friend of a friend.

Harry:
Just a friend of a friend.

Charlie:
Yeah, yeah, my friend's.

Harry:
My mate’s brother.

Charlie:
What's wrong with that? What's wrong with a friend being a friend that's a hundred plus? That'd be great.

Harry:
I was just with my mate the other day. Uh, he's. Yeah, he's 106.

Charlie:
Yeah. Enjoying a Guinness with him. Although Guinness, as I've said, it's a healing drink. It healed my tendonitis in my wrist. Maybe it keeps people ticking.

Harry:
Unbelievable that. I share that with people.

Charlie:
Do you?

Harry:
Yeah. It's great. Was it Guinness or was it the the other the other stout that you had.

Charlie:
Yeah it was the other stout. So it wasn't Guinness. Yeah. I've got one more that I'm going to squeeze into this that's level three. What is a personal legacy you want to leave for yourself or your children? See, I don't really think I care about a legacy, do you?

Harry:
Um, would that have to be a physical thing or just like, uh, some just anything you can pass down, like a value or something you consider really important for your kids to, uh, kind of emulate?

Charlie:
Well, I don't think it's like a golf club, if that's what you're thinking.

Harry:
Yeah, because it has to be an amount of money does it. Things like that.

Charlie:
No, no, no, like it could be a company. It could be.

Harry:
Okay.

Charlie:
I guess it could be an heirloom, like a piece of jewellery or something. But I was imagining like. Yeah, like you've set something up that's more like a business.

Harry:
I think, uh, that's not something I think about, I guess because I'm still not sure if I want to have kids. So it won't be until I know that that I'll. That will become clear to me if I want to leave some something behind for someone else. But then I guess, you know, I've got my nephew and things like that, and but no, to be honest, at the moment, it's not something I've considered, but, uh. Yeah. What about. What about you? Do you think you would one day want to say if you were to have kids, would you want to, like, leave the British English Podcast to your kids? Or maybe they could be the next host, couldn't they?

Charlie:
Yeah. Hosted by Charlie Jr.

Harry:
Charlie Baxter.

Charlie:
I don't know, I don't think so I because I always see those car dealerships, you know they say Johnson and Son or something like that. And I feel sad for the son because they've had to go into the car dealership world. They've been forced. They've not had the choice. I want my children if I was to have children, to have the choice to do whatever they want, as long as it's the British English Podcast. Um, also it says.

Harry:
I know what you mean.

Charlie:
What would you like to leave for yourself? Slash children so you can leave it for yourself. So I guess, like if you are a famous painter, you leave your legacy of art to the public to enjoy and they remember your name, that kind of thing. I mean, you've just started sketching. Would you? Would you like to double down on sketching and sell that to a museum?

Harry:
I don't think it will ever be of value in that sense, but maybe I'd like. I'd really like to get to a standard where I can paint nice portraits and then give them to people. I think that would be a nice present to give them. Not not necessarily. Like, I'd like to give you a nice painting of Stacey, for example, or your dog.

Charlie:
Thing about portraiture is that it's very easy for the person that knows them really well to tell whether they are quite accurate or not. Like, I think if you've got the nose slightly off, then it's a bit confusing for the receiver.

Harry:
I know what you mean, but, well, I guess. Yeah, but getting to a standard where you can objectively say, yeah, that's good, that definitely looks like the person, but also it says something more about them. That's what it is people love about portraits, isn't it? You're seeing something else in them, like their essence that you, you somehow express in the art that doesn't come out in a photo.

Charlie:
I see. Okay. Yeah. I've not thought about it.

Harry:
I love the idea of just like work. Working. I don't know, like getting really good at it and one day producing something that I would actually want to put on the wall, that would be nice. And if family members like my nephew could put it on the wall, that's that would be a nice thing to leave behind.

Charlie:
Yeah.

Harry:
I mean, our YouTube videos, they're always going to be there. Your podcast like episodes that's going to be there too. Like, I like the idea that, you know, in a hundred years someone might listen to it and be like, God, those guys were idiots, or those guys were funny, or are they really? That's so useful. And it's a shame they're dead.

Charlie:
Yeah. Can I get in contact with them? No. They died. About your art, though. Sketching. You could paint yourself on the day we, you know, bury you. We could put a picture that you drew of yourself.

Harry:
We bury you! You think I'm gonna go after you before you.

Charlie:
Definitely.

Harry:
Over my dead body.

Charlie:
Yeah, definitely.

Harry:
So I could put it on my gravestone.

Charlie:
I think that's a good idea. Not on your gravestone. You know, the. You know, you normally put a photo up of them in the memorial service during the memorial service. Sorry.

Harry:
Yeah, that's a nice idea.

Charlie:
So I could do a eulogy of you stood next to the sketch that you drew?

Harry:
Yeah, it's a nice idea. It's a nice idea. My deepest fear is moving on to painting because sketching seems so much easier. You can be a lot more detailed. It's easier to be more detailed. Right? But then you get a paintbrush. Yeah, just a big floppy thing, isn't it? Like I'm scared about that. It's my deepest fear.

Charlie:
I can see that. I thought you were going to say my deepest fear is Charlie doing a eulogy for me, but, uh. Yeah. You? Yeah. Getting the paintbrush.

Harry:
I think you‘d deliver a lovely eulogy, Charlie. I'd be.

Charlie:
Thank you.

Harry:
I'd be very happy for you to deliver my eulogy. Obviously. I hope I'll be delivering yours. Uh, but if it has to be the other way around, I'll be more than happy.

Charlie:
Would it be crass to make a bet?

Harry:
Who? Where would the money go, though?

Charlie:
To my legacy.

Harry:
Oh, you'd have to leave it in the will.

Charlie:
You’d have to leave it to the legacy. Yeah, I guess so.

Harry:
That would be funny or.

Charlie:
No. So the bet is you want to live longer? I want to live longer. So if I win, you died first. So that means I have to pay whoever is in your will. So if you leave everything to your nephew, I have to pay him the wager.

Harry:
No. I thought the loser of the bet is the one that dies first.

Charlie:
Oh, sorry. Yeah, you're right yeah.

Harry:
And it will be written into the will, it‘d be written into the will. So it'd be like if I die first, Charlie Baxter gets ten grand.

Charlie:
Yes. Oh, lovely, I like that.

Harry:
That'd be hilarious. It's so wrong, so wrong.

Charlie:
It’s so wrong. Because then if one of us is really getting desperate financially, we could stoop very low, couldn't we? And sort of push one of them into the road as a bus comes.

Harry:
They could. Yeah.

Charlie:
Not that I've thought of that ever.

Harry:
It's a good, good plot, isn't it?

Charlie:
Yeah. Although London has a lot of CCTV, so you'd have to do out in the country, but we'll cross that bridge when we come to it. I'm not going to place that wager yet, but I am going to say that's the end of the episode. So thank you very much, Harry.

Harry:
Thank you. Nice talking to you, as per usual, and I hope your listeners have enjoyed it.

Charlie:
Yes. So that was level three. Do you feel like we reached a level of connection like never before?

Harry:
Yeah. What was the main question with that one?

Charlie:
What is your deepest fear?

Harry:
Yeah, I mean I think we yeah, it's a good question. I think it was. Yeah, definitely the end of the night where, you know, it's dying down a bit and you get into some really serious talk.

Charlie:
You kind of need an.

Harry:
It was interesting to learn that from you.

Charlie:
Yeah. You do kind of need a pick me up. Don't you? Like it needs a level.

Harry:
After that.

Charlie:
Or like a level minus one or a or a silly level. Level. Level silly.

Harry:
Yeah. Just like something to. Yeah. To lighten the mood. Yeah. Like the the funny trivial news after a really horrible earthquake story or something. Yeah, they always do that on the news, don't they? There's like like really depressing stories about horrible things that are going on in the world, and then they'll put in something kind of trivial.

Charlie:
Oh I see.

Harry:
To lighten, lighten the impact of previous

Charlie:
Oh is that why they do it? I thought it was just the big ones go first. What do they say? If it bleeds, it leads.

Harry:
I'm sure that is the case. I think there will definitely be a part of it that's like, come on. Alright. We need to give some good news or something. You gotta kind of temper it in a way.

Charlie:
I rarely hear good news on the news, but. Yeah. Yeah. Fair enough.

Harry:
No, there normally is. There normally is something that's a bit more positive. Can't all be doom and gloom, can it? Plenty of good things going on in the world as well. So we should celebrate.

Charlie:
There is, there is. But I'm saying that on the main news, I don't hear those positive stories. Do you?

Harry:
No, it's probably because you give up because it's all so depressing. That's what I do. I just stop. But if you if you do persist, usually when it gets to like the local news, there's some more kind of positive stuff. Although I never I rarely watch the news because I find it too depressing.

Charlie:
Yeah. So the last one goes local to Bedford. And what is an example? A man, a man is found able to communicate with a swan in Bedford River. What's the river called?

Harry:
River Ouse.

Charlie:
River Ouse? Yeah. Yes. He trained a swan.

Harry:
Yeah that would be a nice story.

Charlie:
To batter a kid.

Harry:
Exactly. That would be good news.

Charlie:
And that's all the news we have time for. I've been Trevor McDonald. You've been the best.

Harry:
Excellent. Absolutely marvellous, charlie.

Charlie:
Alright. Thank you very much, Harry. Really appreciate all three bitesize episodes of the diary of a CEO conversation cards. Thank you very much everybody, for listening to the end of this one. Well done. And we will see you again soon on the British English Podcast. Bye bye, Harry.

Harry:
Bye bye. Thanks, mate.

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Transcript of Bitesize Ep 74 - Transcript

Charlie:
Hello and welcome to another episode of the British English Podcast with your host, Charlie Baxter. And we have Harry with us in this bitesize episode to go through level two of the diary of a CEO Conversation Cards. We released an episode on level one of these conversation cards a couple of weeks ago, so I encourage you to go listen to that episode if you want, but without being a chronological...

Harry:
****.

Charlie:
So that was the first word from Harry in today's episode, and that was ****.

Harry:
Sorry, I felt like you weren't gonna do alliteration with chronological, so I was just trying to fill in the blanks.

Charlie:
Gosh, that's a strong word to start with, isn't it? Imagine.

Harry:
No sorry. Yeah. If you bleep that out. A chronological...

Charlie:
Imagine if you're like a guest at a newsroom and you're waiting to be asked a question and they're just reading out the the transcript and you go '****' on the left side of them.

Harry:
Just so you know, that was by no means a built up frustration from our minor, minor conflict in the first episode where you were mocking my answer. No way related.

Charlie:
Yeah. The first episode, we were talking about Oatly for the majority of the conversation, which is fine. Absolutely fine.

Harry:
Yeah.

Charlie:
Okay, so guys, if you haven't heard.

Harry:
And Charlie found my choice highly amusing.

Charlie:
I did, I did, but.

Harry:
Which is fine too.

Charlie:
Which is also fine. Okay. So we did level one which was warm up. It was to break the ice because, you know, we needed that. Uh, level two is to open up. Um, are you ready to dive deeper and build stronger connections than before, Harry?

Harry:
Yeah, yeah, I think we're discovering something with these. Like when you already have a good friendship or relationship and you bust out conversation cards, it's often a surefire dive into the depths of shit. No, I don't mean, yeah carry on.

Charlie:
Okay, again, feel free to veto these if you don't like them. But level two, how will you control your own greed?

Harry:
When? How will I... When? When I pile on the pounds? Or how do I?

Charlie:
I guess the structure grammatically speaking, if for a grammarian it might cause a headache. But to from a philosophical point of view, it's already assuming that you have greed, I think. And it's asking you going forward, how will you do better? Because I think this person.

Harry:
Never assume.

Charlie:
Never assume what?

Harry:
Well, this CEO man with his diary. As an interviewer, you should never make assumptions about about your guests. How will you fend off your greed? Sorry mate, you invited me on your podcast. Just belittle me with these questions. First, find out if I am greedy and then ask me in a less direct way, please. What!

Charlie:
Imagine if I asked you this just before we hosted a dinner. Or you sat down to our dinner and I give you a a portion?

Harry:
Yeah. How are you going to control your greed, your need to stuff your face in every moment today, Harry. What! Good question. Maybe, like if I were him, if I was making conversation questions to get out at the dinner party, I'd be like, I don't know. How do you control or curb your greed? I don't know. How will you control your greed?

Charlie:
I guess, to be safe, you could say, how does one control their greed? But that's really general advice. It leads to general stuff. I think this is quite thought provoking. How will you control your own greed?

Harry:
Yeah. Okay. Uh, that's a good question. How will I. So it's good. It's like, yeah, okay. It's a new year. We're assuming you're greedy and we're going into the new year thinking, how will you... What was it? Control your greed. Is it?

Charlie:
Your own greed. How will you control your own greed? I'll let you have some space to think and answer first perhaps. I think I'm most greedy with my time and choosing to do things that this sounds naughty, but it's not too naughty. Choosing to do things that pleasure me over things that don't bring joy.

Harry:
Right. Yeah. Okay.

Charlie:
I'm quite greedy with that. Like with my work, I'm trying really hard to not do the things that frustrate me and only do the things that bring me joy. And now that I've got a business, that is a problem, and I need to build a bigger team to help me out of that mess. And then with family, I sometimes struggle to see them because I want to do my own thing.

Harry:
Yeah.

Charlie:
And that's quite greedy.

Harry:
You don't consider that the time with them is going to bring you the joy that you that you seek.

Charlie:
No, I kind of want my own time. That's another thing i'm greedy with. Me time. I love time on my own.

Harry:
I definitely am too. I think that's a big thing. But then you're really good at, you know, giving up your time to do social things with Stacey and, like, you know, her family, her friends, your friends together. I know a lot of that, you know, it does bring you joy, but you're doing that to please her as well, right? To bring her pleasure.

Charlie:
Yeah. I mean, I like the way that you're saying it. I don't know if she would agree with it. I think she should agree with it. But, um. Yeah, I appreciate that. But then again, she betters my life. She enriches my life by providing a more varied social life, because I don't deliberately plan too far ahead of time with friends. And then that leaves me with me time, which I fucking love.

Harry:
What's your favourite way to spend your your me time?

Charlie:
Coffee is included in that. Video games.

Harry:
Going to the coffee shop?

Charlie:
Going to a coffee shop. Yeah, with my laptop. And it's a bit sad. Me time equals work, but it doesn't feel like work. Writing a podcast episode. That's one of my favourite things to do. Scripting one of them with a coffee in a nice coffee shop. I love that.

Harry:
Lovely. That's great.

Charlie:
Yeah, if I'm in the in the zone, I like going to a coffee shop and doing Spanish studies, perhaps, on my phone. But recently I've been going to a new gym that I took you to the other day and, uh, that I really enjoy. Going there. And there's a little spa that can treat myself to.

Harry:
It's lovely. Lovely gym.

Charlie:
Yeah, those kind of things.

Harry:
I get that. I totally get you.

Charlie:
Do you feel similar?

Harry:
I do, I do. I think that's a big obstacle that gets in the way of like me wanting to pursue like a relationship and find a partner. So I know you have to give up your time to do things that they want to do. And I often just want to do what I want to do, you know? And yeah, I remember that being a bit of an issue, like with Marina, there'd be things she'd want to do. I just like, I just don't really want to do that. Sounds okay, but it doesn't sound that fun. But yeah.

Charlie:
The older we get, the more opinionated we are on that. And I guess if you don't have kids, then you get more time to figure out what you love to do. And then that accentuates the feeling of, I really want to do that because I really get joy from that.

Harry:
Definitely, definitely. Yeah, it's true. You get to know yourself better than you as you get older and how you want to spend your your days, which is fine, but I think it's good that you're realising that you're greedy with your own time, because sometimes in life, of course, we have to do things that we don't love and that's just a part of life. And therefore if we resist that and we get too attached to our own time, then we suffer. And of course, the people around us suffer. So it's all about finding a balance, isn't it? And sometimes just doing things for other people or I don't know. So, you know, responsibilities or wanting to be there for other people. I don't know.

Charlie:
Yeah I agree, yeah. It's always, always about balance isn't it. Would you say the same? How will you control your own greed? Or is it more about eating too much for you, perhaps because you're quite greedy with food?

Harry:
I find I'm not. I don't think I'm too greedy with food. I've been known to pig out on weekends, but I think I'm generally okay. I think the main thing for me is, yeah, how I spend my time. Sometimes I'm unwise with how I choose to spend my time and I'll prioritise me time, but actually I could do something else that would probably end up bringing me more joy. So I feel like I need to get to know myself more and invest my time in things that bring me lasting joy rather than short term maybe.

Charlie:
Yeah, that's good.

Harry:
Otherwise, in terms of greed, yeah, trying to think what other things I'm greedy with. I'm not that bad with food and drink. Like with alcohol now I know my limit. Like I definitely know my limits.

Charlie:
Do you?

Harry:
When it comes to drinking. I do.

Charlie:
Do you know your limits with how much oat milk you can consume in a day?

Harry:
Actually, I am a bit greedy with that. I am a bit greedy with that. Yeah, I have been guilty of using my beloved Oatly barista milk with my cereal, which is just not what it's for.

Charlie:
Oh, very greedy!

Harry:
It's for coffees and teas. And it's very expensive. It's very expensive.

Charlie:
Yeah.

Harry:
So I'm getting through a lot of that, that stuff. And boy, do I love the brand. But.

Charlie:
I'd question the ethical quandary over that. Uh, if you're consuming a lot more oat milk than you would normal milk if you were just having cow's milk, is it ethically or is it sustainable?

Harry:
Uh, I mean, it's just oats, isn't it? It's not like nothing no one's being killed.

Charlie:
Yeah, but the process. Well, I don't think the cows are being slaughtered after the milk is being taken from them, I hope not.

Harry:
Good question. I guess they're just. Yeah, they're probably just used for milk production, aren't they?

Charlie:
Daisy cows. They have a lovely life, don't they? I mean, no, I take that back. I've seen some terrible situations, but some. They have a lovely time.

Harry:
Yeah. Was that on your farm that you saw a terrible situation? Did you ever have any cows growing up?

Charlie:
No. We didn't. I'd have bloody loved a cow. I really enjoy looking at a cow.

Harry:
Me too.

Charlie:
Whenever I go to a farm, it's the most enjoyable part of it. They're so big and yet kind of peaceful. And also, I know some religions deem them as very sacred, but I think they look quite simple.

Harry:
In terms of their intelligence or?

Charlie:
Yeah.

Harry:
Right. Yeah.

Charlie:
What do you think of that? Do you think cows are intelligent?

Harry:
Well, can something be simple and something be sacred? Does it mean it has to be of, I don't know, like great intelligence? Or can it not be simple too?

Charlie:
No. It could be simple. I just want to, you know, forewarn those that might.

Harry:
But you don't find it that sacred as an animal. I always like yeah. I think that peace that they... Kind of emanates from a cow. There's something nice about staring at a herd of cow.

Charlie:
Yeah.

Harry:
Just on a in the field. Right? It's a nice thing. And it brings me great peace. And maybe that is a part of the sacredness of a cow that the peace that they embody.

Charlie:
That's true. Yeah. It's it seems petty to go back on it. But I didn't mean that I don't think they're sacred, but I feel like they look quite simple. And I felt like that might be upsetting to those that think that they are very sacred, part of their religion. You said cow as in plural. Was that a joke? Is two cows not cows?

Harry:
I heard um, I'm just thinking of that. Yeah, exactly. Yeah. I heard, uh, farmer say a herd of cow once, and so I'm just copying the farmer.

Charlie:
Right. Okay. What is the plural of cow? The plural of cow is cows or cattle.

Harry:
Uh, yeah. Cattle would make sense.

Charlie:
Maybe a farmer would say it more generally. My cow.

Harry:
Yeah I did hear it. You know what I heard in Alan Partridge? You know, when he was interviewing the farmer and he says, I have 100 cow.

Charlie:
Oh, I see.

Harry:
I think that's why I've said it.

Charlie:
Yeah, right. Yeah. There's a few cows over there. You wouldn't say there's a few cow over there, would you? I don't think I would.

Harry:
No. It sounds really weird.

Charlie:
I think it's cows but I think it's quite old English maybe? No, I don't know if it's Old English. Why did we get to cows? Oh, because of milk?

Harry:
Cattle. Cattle, though. That's that's a good word to use. A herd of cattle, you might say.

Charlie:
Yeah. Do you think cows are greedy before we end this episode?

Harry:
They mainly just stand around eating grass, don't they? They don't seem to ever let up. They're eating quite a lot of it. I don't know if they have that little switch that that thing in their brain that says, look, you've had enough grass. I don't know if they, they have that. Uh, maybe they do. I'm not sure. I've never looked at a cow and thought, how greedy.

Charlie:
Do they have more stomachs?

Harry:
Cows have three stomachs. How many stomachs do they have?

Charlie:
I've heard people say cows have four stomachs, but I've just googled and it says cows technically only have one stomach, but it has four distinct compartments made up of some other random words. So yeah, it's one stomach categorised into four segments or four compartments. And because I've said that, it's probably a fantastic place to leave it. Thank you very much for listening to the end of this bitesize episode. We'll be back with the next bitesize episode or level three. Will you be ready for that, Harry? The deep end?

Harry:
Absolutely. We can continue, like cows to chew the cud in, uh, in the next episode.

Charlie:
Or should I say moo. Very nice, very nice. Just thinking about what we've just done, though, in the last two bitesize episodes, the first one was the brand. What if you could be part of any brand or company, past or present, which would it be and why? Do you feel like that was an icebreaker in comparison to the one that we just did? How will you control your own greed? Do you see the levels?

Harry:
Yeah I think yeah, that next one is quite cutting, isn't it? It's quite wow. You need to know have have already broken the ice and know them fairly well. I feel like if you're going to ask that question.

Charlie:
That's true.

Harry:
Yeah. You need to be careful with that one. And it can't just be out of nowhere either. There's got to be something building up to that. They they need to have expressed that they consider themselves to be a little greedy in order to ask that question. That coming out of nowhere is quite a shock.

Charlie:
Yeah. You don't want to start off saying, hey, mate, how are you? How will you control your own greed?

Harry:
Absolutely.

Charlie:
A little bit too early. Okay, cool. We'll go on to level three in the next bitesize episode. Well done for listening to the end. Thank you very much, Harry. See you soon.

Harry:
See you later.

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